Mega Church Phenomenon

I doubt this embedded video will work as I dont think London Free Press video is supported. I thought I would try it anyway. here's a pop-up window instead.

What are folks opinions on this rapidly growing phenomenon? I have never agreed with the amount of resources that are used for spaces specifically set out for religion. I like Francis of Assisi's idea that God can be found under every rock and every tree, not God-dome 2000. These new stadiums seem to be quite the opposite of Franks suggestion and I would imagine JC himself would have a problem with this. What do others think?

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Justin Cozens's picture

I read an article recently

I read an article recently about the waning in popularity of megachurches in the states. Their numbers are declining in favour of smaller churches, because people miss the sense of community that comes from those neighbourhood-type churches. Just as easy as it is to walk into a megachurch, it's just as easy to walk out, because the sense of connection is missing.

The same ebb and flow will happen here, I'm sure, as the novelty wears off.

Mitchell Brogan's picture

heroes?

what is up with the HEROES tv show logo being onstage 20 feet tall? are they preaching about the Ressurection of PP.... (Peter Petrelli)? and how it all relates to your bank account?

 oh, and personlly, i don't want no donut-eating, mouth smacking spiritually devoid tourist sitting right beside me while i am trying to have a serious inner moment with my creator. 

forgive me, great turtle.

 mb

Jeff P.'s picture

yeah

I found that to be really strange as well.

haha. donut-eating mouth-smackers... seriously, I guess these projects make sense in our contemporary capitalist environment. I mean this model is just good business sense. using ratios of overhead expediture to projected input value confuses the means and the ends.

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or is it

-Pass the collection plate! Now praise the lord-

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elizabeth tellier's picture

good point

jeff i think you hit the nail on the head linking evangelical churches with the culture of capitalism....the ethic of growth seems quite obviously present in these kinds of churches, in terms of the accumulation of capital, the size of the institutions and buildings and in the size of the congeregation of church members. the idea is to draw more and more people in and to keep growing. i think the appropriation of "cool" popular culture phenomenon, for example the Heroes thing, is used to sort of make the message more relevant and effective. it's so interesting! i've seen this kind of stuff in churches a lot. another element is the really catchy beautiful music that happens in these settings too, people really get into that, the young people seem to dig it. these big churches often have seperate services for an older more traditional crowd and one really rockin service for the young folk. these churches are really good at building a sort of mass appeal.

 

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Jeff P.'s picture

now this is interesting

It honestly does not bother me that this posting was rated by two people at 1.5. no really, i don't care. what I am interested in is how people are supposed to vote. I mean, are we voting for content, length, visual properties, popularity, subject matter, font type, grammar, attitude, vibe, the person posting, style or timing... or what? just not sure how I should approach this voting structure. seeing as I'm one of very few people who actually votes, what happens if I decide to vote down people I just personally don't like. I guess that's one of risks with this system.

I understand it's difficult to create a perfect system, and the site is still in development, so I just thought it was worth mentioning...

and please, vote this comment 0 so the lurkers (the majority) won't see it. cough.

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Trev McNaughton's picture

black and white

I still go for either 1 or 5 for anything other than artistic pieces.. meaning if I want it to go to the front page or not.. if I don't feel it should be showcased on the front page, its a 1, if its what I think should be on the front, I give it a 5.

mostly I don't care about the front page honestly, since I rarely use it, so I mostly rate artistic pieces.

with artistic pieces I base it on response.  meaning, if it invokes a positive response from I gauge how much of a response.. then I fine tune based on various aspects, the same as most critics would.  Style, composition, production, time and effort (if it was just thrown up there, like a youtube video with little description sorry.. not going to rate high) are very important...

and last but not least... if i actually remember to rate something.. usually I rate with the browsers back button.. example:  "ughhh thats awful!! *hits back button in firefox*" 

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Aaron Pellerin's picture

voting criterion

I vote based on a number of factors.  Most important for me is that the post is relevant and positive.  Posts that are uninteresting, negative, or inflamatory will get a low score from me.  Also, I take into consideration how well the post is written.  Style counts I think, though I probably should get low points there.  Finally, I grade posts based on how much I like the person posting.  Points will be given here for personal hygene, colourful attire, and length of mustache are really big for me (if you have a mustache, you are automatically tops in my book).

I think the voting can be based on whatever a person feels is relevant.  It is an opinion, and can be a completely personal choice.  The idea is that the number of people voting will balance out any irregularities.  

That's just me though.   

elizabeth tellier's picture

moustachio

i also vote based on length of moutache and also strangeness of hairstyle....hee.

yes jeff i have also pondered how one should evaluate and thusly dole out an appropriate number of stars.

as aaron said, postivity and well writteness are big in my books, although, as is evident here, i think people should be docking me more stars on my poor grammar, spelling and style.

also if people are snarky i'm disinclined towards rewarding them with little star guys.  

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elizabeth tellier's picture

p.s.

aaron i think that we should have, instead of stars, a moustache approval system, whadaya think? 

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Jeff P.'s picture

aaron and lizzi are on to something here

5 Star - *****

 

1 Star - *

 

*edit - I felt the need to change the five star picture as he had an unfair grooming advantage of a full beard. I've cahanged that original picture to the current 5 star standard - A Stach with Panache

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elizabeth tellier's picture

good job jeff

i thought i was gonna have to say something about 5 star stache guy numero uno, total grooming advantage with the beard, obviously. 

“Coffee is a great power in my life...it chases away sleep...”
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Aaron Pellerin's picture

"signs and wonders" Churches

Many of these super churches are evangelical/pentacostal and revolve around "signs and wonders" types of practices. Basically, they are an attempt by people to gain control over their lives by calling on the intervention of the spirit. In a world where we have so little control over so many aspects of our lives, this type of immediate reaction religion can be a huge comfort for many people. The problem is, however, that a great deal of it is profiteering and deception. Many of these churches (and others. Think of Scientology here) are more concerned about getting at people's cash than with saving their souls.

There are huge movements of this type in the global south, and it seems this type of spirituality is the fastest growing phenomenon in modern religious history. While I would say that membership in some sort of community is something very much worth while, I'm not sure this type of community is the most beneficial or genuine. I will say that since it is such a large movement, and that it does not seem to be going anywhere soon, we should probably start to look at why this is happening, and what it means for the future.

 

elizabeth tellier's picture

preach on!

i agree with aaron, the evangelical/pentacostal movement also focuses on the individuals relationship with god and tends to obscure social, political and economic relations between us all. this is especially troubling in latin america where liberation theology has historically been so important to communities in struggle and who experience things like violence, poverty and suffering, to use the bible to raise consciousness about your communities oppression, to find passages which give you courage and strength to resist it and to organize through the already existing social and institutional networks of the catholic church, and to create a preferential option for the poor has been incredibly influential. liberation theology recognizes that you don't have to wait until you are in heaven for life to get better, that you can change the material conditions that press upon you here on earth. but for a long time now the pentacostal church has been heavily promoted in latin america (with that strong individualism message) and people i spoke to in el salvador talked about the CIA in part being responsible for that and expressed concern about organizing base communities and being seen as organizing politically, as there has been a recent resurgence of intimidation and repression in that country (the have an anti-terrorism law, helped along by their strong ties and co-operation with the US and the first people charged under it were from a Salvadoran organization i know well , as they were protesting against privitization of water).

i just know that as a person who grew up in the mennonite church which has classically been a peace church and had a concern with social justice, efforts by more liberal members of the church to recognize social, political and economic issues and to get the congregation involved were aggressively silenced as the church has become more conservative over the last decade and concerned more with things like evangelism and church planting. i couldn't imagine what it would be like in a mega church. i'm sure that there is some talk about charity, but that's just a convenient thing built into capitalism to assuage our guilt.

anyways i hope i haven't offended anyone who might be evangelical here, i hope i'm not being terribly ignorant, i'm just speaking from my own experiences and giving my own critique. but in terms of social change i think this movement is a huge hinderance to it.

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elizabeth tellier's picture

super jesus

 

 

Maybe we'll see something like this in London soon. Can anyone from the SOA trip remember which state this mega church was in??

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Mike McGregor's picture

Ohio

Just north of Cincinnati or Dayton I think...

There's a huge church being built in Hyde Park right now. No statue of Jesus lunging out of a lake though. Not yet anyway.

Do you remember in Jaws when the shark jumped out of the water and dragged the helicopter out of the sky? that's what this always reminds me of... 

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elizabeth tellier's picture

hee.

...jesus is "lunging" out of the manmade lake, oh gosh! i have a good friend who goes to a super duper church in london, i'm interested to know what kind of theology is being preached, i need to ask her about it. i have a feeling it's pretty evangelical, you need a big building if you're gonna save a lot of souls right?

 

“Coffee is a great power in my life...it chases away sleep...”
Honore De Blazac